Saints 2023 Week 4 Recap

Jamie UK • October 2, 2023

The Recap; Saints Vs Bucs

        Another week sadly the same story for the Saints, a gruesome offensive display that put too much pressure on the defense and the defense could not hold as the Saints fell to their worst defeat of the season losing 26-9. There’s not much good to take from this game, read this article as Saints fan therapy.


Team Stats 

(Saints/Bucs)

Final Score: 9-26

First downs: 16-21

3rd down efficiency: 5/14 – 8/15

Total yards: 197 – 353

Red Zone Efficiency: 0/2 – 3 / 4

Penalties: 7 for 58 yards - 11 for 91 yards 

Turnovers: 3- 1

Time of possession: 28:49- 31:11


Takeaways


Offense

        This section has basically been the same throughout each of the 4 games, the offense again had no rhythm, struggled mightily in the red zone, and was terrible on third down. The big difference this week was the pass protection wasn’t the problem, at times Carr had tons of time to make a play, he either waited too long on those plays or nobody was open. 


        Now, the o-line wasn’t perfect of course Carr was flushed out of the pocket, and he had to step up to avoid pressure on several occasions but overall, the pass protection was good enough in this game for the offense to be able to function, but it still didn’t. The line again wasn’t great run blocking but was better than previous weeks, still need to see some movements in this area.


        The biggest issue was the Saints passing game, it looked as if it had pretty much all year, out of sync. Carr struggled to find anyone open and when players were open, he struggled to connect. Was the shoulder limiting him? Hard to say he certainly had the arm strength in this game but quite a few of his passes came out high and that could have to do with the shoulder injury limiting his throwing motion. 


        The offensive play-calling looked flat-out terrible, the Saints were 5 of 14 on third down, and unlike previous weeks they did have more manageable third down distances to navigate the Saints had at least 3 third and 5 or below that Pete decided to dial up deep passes for, instead of trying to use Thomas, Olave, Shaheed and Kamara’s elite short-area quickness and route running to try and convert at or just past the sticks. This has been a big part of the Saints struggles on third down this year, on many occasions, they are trying to bomb downfield instead of just trying to keep the drive alive, which is what this team has so desperately needed.


        This offense has too many elite playmakers to be struggling this badly and something has to change, everyone behind the scenes with Saints has been hyping up pass game coordinator Ronald Curry, he interviewed for Tampa and Denver’s OC positions this off-season maybe it's time to give him a chance to call plays fulltime (he called plays in the preseason). Would Curry fix everything? Probably not, but at this stage it can’t get much worse. 


        I can’t keep being held hostage for 3 hours a week watching a Pete Carmichael run offense, it's physically painful and frankly soul-destroying to watch, He is wasting prime cost-controlled years of Chris Olave and Rashid Shaheed and the backs 9’s of 2 Saints offensive legends in Kamara and Thomas. 


        If Dennis Allen wants to save his job, he needs to do something otherwise he is going to be the captain going down with this horrendous offensive ship.


Defense

        The defense was again good but not great, in a similar fashion to the Green Bay game the Saints secondary did as much as they could, they gave up some plays but hardly a surprise given the number of snaps they faced and how much time the QB had, not to mention they were again down their CB2 and were down to safety 5 after Lonnie Johnson Jr. left this game with a hamstring injury.


        The D-line struggled mightily to generate consistent pressure in this game there were far too many plays on key downs where Mayfield had an age to throw. The Bucs entered the game as the 32nd and when they wanted to run earlier in the game, they could the Saints clamped the run game as the game went on, but the damage had been done by this stage. I’m worried the D-line we saw in weeks 1 and 2 were a product of the poor O-lines they faced rather than it being the D-line improving, hopefully, I’m wrong.


        I’d expect when I look through PFF the Saints defense to have had their most missed tackles in a game so far this year, the tackling looked really poor at times and cost the Saints. On the Bucs first touchdown drive, the Bucs faced 3rd and 8 on the Saints 13. With nothing open Mayfield checked down to RB Rachaad White, he looked to be easily stopped about 3-4 yards short of the sticks before making Pete Werner and another Saints defender miss, before converting the down and scoring a touchdown 3 plays later.


        The secondary made enough plays to have been competitive in this game, forcing another interception (their 5th of the year) and nearly having another when Lonnie Johnson broke on a pass over the middle and unfortunately dropped it (unfortunate as it would have likely been a pick 6). Marshon uncharacteristically struggled early against Evans before Evans left the game with a hamstring injury, Lattimore gave up at least 2 receptions for 36 yards to Evans but could have been more.


        Overall, the defense without the pass rush playing how it did the first 2 weeks will be good but not great. Enough to keep the team competitive in games but likely not enough to win them games alone. So, unless we see the offense finally do something the Saints better hope the pass rush comes back. 


Saints Stock Exchange (Sponsored By… Nobody)
Just a quick hit section each week to highlight which Saint has their stock value increasing and decreasing after each game, 3 up and 3 down:


Stock up


Bryan Bresee

Isaac Yiadom

Blake Grupe


This was a hard list to make after a game like that. Bresee has been a threat in every game so far and finally got his first solo sack of the season per ESPN had a further 3 TFLs one was an excellent play where he was in the backfield in an instant and dropped Rachaad White for an 3-yard loss. The Saints finally look to have hit on a D-line 1st round pick. 


On first view, Yiadom looked good again, with 2 PBUs and an interception. I’ve been very surprised by Yiadom as previously he’s mainly been a special team player, for him to have played how he has the last 2 weeks has been impressive.

 

I gave the final spot to Blake Grupe, he was clutch again scoring all 9 of the Saints points with a long of 44, a good comeback after the bad miss in Green Bay for the rookie kicker.


Stock Down


Pete Carmichael Jr.

Derek Carr

Chris Olave


        I don’t need to add anything to the inclusion of Pete Carmichael here. Carr was poor maybe the shoulder hindered him but then maybe he shouldn’t have played. He missed throws and sailed some high, Carr was close to cracking this last week. This felt like the right time after averaging 3.4 yards per attempt, Carr was supposed to be the solution to the Saints QB woes he does not look like that 4 games in. Finally, Chris Olave, I don’t expect him to be on this list many times this year, but something seemed off with Olave this game. The broadcast showed routes where he didn’t look to be fully engaged and putting in maximum effort. I never want to question a player’s effort, but the clips did look that way. I wonder if we see him on the injury report this week after he took a bit hit on a screen early in the game, he didn’t look right from there.



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By David Rainey July 19, 2025
It’s that time of year again. The excitement of All-Star weekend and the Homerun Derby are behind us, and it’s on to the second half of the MLB season. This is the time where the great teams separate themselves from the good teams. It’s the time for teams to show whether they should be considered contenders or pretenders. And with this time of the year, of course, comes the MLB trade deadline. Arguably the most intriguing trade deadline of all the major sports. Fringe teams will have to decide whether to be buyers or sellers, and the great teams will mortgage their futures for one player they believe will take them to the promise land. Now, as out of left-field as the ending to this year’s All-Star weekend was (raise your hand if you also weren’t aware that swing offs were a thing), the MLB trade deadline features something much more curious. The Player to Be Named Later. You see, as most of us know, it’s extremely common in Major League Baseball for a team like the Padres, for example, to sell off a handful of their top prospects at the trade deadline for a lefty reliever they hope will help them navigate the difficult waters that is the postseason. But what some people aren’t aware of (outside of us baseball nerds of course) is the use of something, or someone more specifically, called the “Player to Be Named Later (PTBNL)” in these trade scenarios. For those of you who don’t know, here’s a quick explanation of what exactly the phrase “Player to Be Named Later” means. In baseball, when a team isn’t sure exactly which prospect they want in return or when they are trying to finesse the roster management rules, they will accept a “Player to Be Named Later” in return in a trade. This gives that team the opportunity to further evaluate players and choose who they want in return at a later date. This doesn’t mean that the team will just be able to choose a superstar down the road, there are limitations placed on who can be chosen, and most of the time the player ends up being just another player lost in baseball lore. However, sometimes these PTBNL turn out to be more than just a journeyman or even lead to oddities that only baseball can provide. So, what are the most famous cases of Players to Be Named Later? Well, I’m glad you asked. Let’s start with the not so unexpected scenario that actually led to the PTBNL rules to be changed. Trea Turner Before 2015, there was a rule in place in the MLB in which prevented players from being traded for a year after being drafted. Trea Turner was drafted by the San Diego Padres in the first round of the 2014 Draft which meant, you guessed it, he wasn’t eligible to be traded until the following year. However, in December of 2014 the Padres, Nationals, and Rays agreed to mega-deal that involved 11 players AND a Player to Be Named Later. So, what does this have to do with Turner? Well, everyone was aware of who that PTBNL would be. Trea Turner. But as I mentioned before, he wasn’t allowed to be traded yet. So Turner had to spend the beginning of the next season playing for the Padres who had already traded him. This led to a rule change in MLB before the next draft to avoid this situation ever playing out again. But where is Trea Turner now? He’s certainly no journeyman. He had an incredible start to his career with the Nationals, before being traded (again) to the Dodgers with Max Scherzer in 2021. He eventually signed a $300 million deal with the Phillies where he still plays and remains one of the best players in Major League Baseball. But is he the best PTBNL of all time? Not quite. David Ortiz Big Papi. Ever heard of him? Sure you have. But did you know he wasn’t always the mashing lefty for the Red Sox that we know and love? That’s right. Early on in David Ortiz’s career he actually struggled to find a place in the league; and at one point, was even a Player to Be Named Later in a trade. He actually started his career with the Seattle Mariners, but he doesn’t mean much to the Mariners franchise outside of being a PTBNL in a trade in 1996 with the Minnesota Twins for Dave Hollins. As a matter of fact, not only was Ortiz not the player we know on the field, he wasn’t even David Ortiz on paper. At the time, he was actually known as David Arias. You might be thinking, “Wow. The Mariners really traded BIG PAPI.” Trust me when I tell that the Twins feel even worse. Ortiz would play a handful of seasons for the Twins from 1997-2002; however, even after a solid season in 2002 with the Twins, they would go on to RELEASE Ortiz. That’s right. Even one of the greatest players to ever step foot on a baseball diamond was not only traded as PTBNL but was also outright released. Of course in 2003, David Ortiz would go on to join the Boston Red Sox. Ten All-Star games, 3 World Series Championships, a World Series MVP, and a Hall of Fame selection later, David Ortiz would go down in baseball history as one of the most feared batters of all time, and the legend we know him as today Big Papi. What is the oddest Player to Be Named Later situation? There is a rare, but always delightfully bizarre situation in which a player is traded for himself as a Player to Be Named Later. This hilariously absurd scenario is so rare that it has only happened four times in the history of Major League Baseball. Harry Chiti – traded from the then Cleveland Indians to the Mets in 1962 for a PTBNL. However, he was so bad that the Mets decided trade him back to Cleveland as the PTBNL Brad Gulden – traded (with $100,000) from the Yankees to the Mariners for Larry Milbourne and a PTBNL in 1980. Once again, he performed so poorly that the Mariners traded him back to New York as the PTBNL in the original trade. Are you sensing a theme? Dickie Noles – In 1987 the Cubs traded him to the Tigers for a Player to Be Named Later. Sadly, he didn’t do enough during the Tigers playoff run that year for them to want to keep him around. So, they shipped back to the Windy City to complete the trade as the PTBNL. John McDonald – The most recent example. He was acquired by Detroit, who clearly didn’t learn anything in 1987, from the Blue Jays in 2005 for, that’s right, a PTBNL. Later that year, he was sent back to Canada for cash considerations. There you go. Next time you’re hanging out with your buddies on the back porch naming random athletes from your pass, feel free to drop in a “Dickie Noles” reference and explain the wonderful scenario of him being traded for himself. Baseball is such a beautiful sport in so many ways. For many of us, it’s the first sport we play as children, or the sport we remember watching with our grandparents on the living room floor. It has such an iconic and rich history. It’s known as “America’s past time” for a reason. But throughout that history, there are so many things that have happened that can only be described as strange and uniquely baseball. And that’s why we love it. So, when you’re scrolling social media or watching ESPN this trade deadline season and see that stud middle reliever traded for nothing but a Player to Be Named Later, maybe you won’t just brush it off this time around. Maybe you’ll wait to see who that player becomes, and maybe they’ll end up being another great piece of baseball trivia.
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