Saints 2023 Week 3 Recap

Jamie UK • September 25, 2023

        Brutal, that’s all I can say about this game. The Saints were up 17-0 going into the 4th quarter before hemorrhaging 18 unanswered points in the final quarter to lose 18-17. There are a lot of storylines to take from this game sadly, most of them are bad, so let’s dive in.


Team Stats 

(Saints/Packers)

Final Score: 17-18

First downs: 15 - 21

3rd down efficiency: 4/14 - 8/18

Total yards: 252 - 340

Red Zone Efficiency: 1 / 2 - 2 / 3

Penalties: 7 for 102 yards - 11 for 90 yards 

Turnovers: 1 - 0

Time of possession: 27:25- 32:35


Takeaways


Offense

        A putrid display on offense, is that harsh? Before Derek Carr went down with an injury the Saints had scored 17 first-half points, but frankly it was still awful. Seven of those points were from an excellent punt return from Rashid Shaheed. The offense just looks harder than it should be. Yes, a lot of that has to do with the massive issues with the o-line, but also the play-calling doesn’t look to be helping.



Every yard looks so hard, there’s very little designed quick game. No quick hitters in the passing game to get the offense into a rhythm, and no drive starters to keep them ahead of the sticks. It looks like Pete Carmichael wants to use the running game for this but the run blocking for the second year in a row now is flat-out bad. Pete saw Sean Payton for years use the short passing/scream game as an extension of the run game, I’m not sure why he’s not able to do it as well. It would help the protection issues as the ball would be out faster and would help the Saints avoid 3rd and medium/long where routinely teams have been teeing off on Saints QBs.


It is not like he doesn’t have the right personnel for it, he had the right QB in Carr before he went down. He’s got arguably the best rhythm WR in the NFL in Mike Thomas, add to him Chris Olave who has elite short area quickness/route running, Rashid Shaheed, and Juwan Johnson. I just can’t get my head around why this isn’t the core principle that the offense is built around. Right now, it feels like Pete wants the deep/intermediate passing game to be the primary option and then the quick game to be the fallback. With the o-line playing how it is, with the weapons they have it should be the quick game first with deep shots sprinkled in, not the other way around.


This conundrum only gets harder now with Carr expected to miss some time, quick rhythm passing has never really been Winston’s game (although, ducks for cover I don’t think he was terrible in relief in this area yesterday), so trying to work that into a more focal point of the offense will be harder now than before. The Saints have Kamara back this week and he should bring energy and explosion to the offense but with this QB and play-caller can they use him effectively? 


Defense

        This always felt like an unsustainable model, the Saints defense needed to be perfect for 60 minutes for the team to win, they weren’t perfect today, and no shocker the Saints lost. The defense for 3 quarters was pretty much lights out, being down a starting safety and cornerback didn’t even stop them. 


        However, there were warning signs for the eventual 4th quarter collapse, the Packers had plays where players were at times wide open in crucial situations but were unable to connect. A play early in the game where Luke Musgrave was streaking down the middle of the field and was wide open Love just flat-out missed him. Both the Packers failed 4th down efforts were the right play calls for Gb just poorly executed, especially the first where Jordan Love looked like a baby giraffe trying to take its first steps. Both 4th down-plays had players open if the Packers could have executed better.


        The 2 key areas missing this week for the Saints defense were pass rush and discipline. The pass rush was way too quiet in a game where the opposing o-line was missing 2 starters. This gave Love way too much time and allowed him to be way too comfortable, especially in the second half. The D-line did, however, arguably play their best game defending the run. 


        On the discipline front, it feels unfair to critique and I’m not going to be too harsh but the back-to-back PI penalties on Taylor and Yiadom were killer (although I thought the PI on Yiadom was soft) those penalties cost the Saints 67 yards, and took the Packers from their own 20 to the Saints 13, eventually ending the Packers first touchdown of the game. Unfortunately, Taylor and Yiadom were on the wrong side of those penalties because I think they both were excellent today, Taylor had a massive 5 PBUs, 2 TFLs, and a Sack, and Yiadom for a guy who’s mainly been a special teams player held up well and he was tested often. I’ve included a stat below that illustrates how good they both were in coverage today.


Next Gen Stats on X: "Isaac Yiadom forced the tightest window targets (7) in a game over the last two seasons. His teammate Alontae Taylor also had 5 tight window targets. Yiadom and Taylor allowed a combined 5 receptions on 18 targets, recording 9 total passes defensed. #NOvsGB | #Saints https://t.co/OV66Itbtha" / X (twitter.com)


        The expectations on the defense will only continue to be high going forward, for those expectations to be met the pass rush needs to return to week’s 1-2 levels.


Saints Stock Exchange (Sponsored By… Nobody)

Just a quick hit section each week to highlight which Saint has their stock value increasing and decreasing after each game, 3 up and 3 down:


Stock up

Chris Olave

Lonnie Johnson Jr

Alontae Taylor


        Olave was excellent again, making a brilliant one-handed grab, showing again the work he did in the offseason was worth it with an excellent contested catch down the right sideline late in the game, Olave looks like an all-pro so far this season. 


        I wanted to give Johnson his flowers for 2 great plays, the interception of Jordan Love and the crucial block that sprung Rashid Shaheed for his punt return touchdown. Johnson has been really good on special teams so far this year so got to see him make a play on defense too. For the final up I went with Taylor for the reasons I highlighted above, not a perfect performance by any means but Harvey has proved to be a playmaker for this defense.


Stock Down

The whole O-line

Doug Marrone

Blake Grupe


        I’ve cheated here a little bit, but I can’t single out one player from the o-line, everyone must be accountable for this display at the end of the day their starting QB got hurt because of the frankly awful play. Again, as highlighted above it's not just the pass blocking but the run blocking too has not been remotely good enough. 


        At this stage it doesn’t feel fair to just blame the players, I highlighted above how Pete needs to help the o-line, I also think some responsibility needs to fall at Doug Marrone’s door, it is his second year coaching this o-line the run blocking was a massive issue last year and it still is this year and the pass protection issues are completing de-railing this offense and this team overall, he has the talent something has to change otherwise this team is going nowhere this year.


        Finally, Blake Grupe, this was his first true pressure kick, there was pressure on some of his other kicks but all of them were sub-30-yard attempts. Today he had a 46-yard attempt to put the Saints up by 2 with just over a minute to play. In his words the snap and hold were perfect, and he just missed it. The Saints made a big decision this off-season to go with Grupe over the vet Will Lutz, granted Lutz hasn’t been great either but this was Grupe’s first test to prove he is legit and unfortunately wasn’t successful. 



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By David Rainey July 19, 2025
It’s that time of year again. The excitement of All-Star weekend and the Homerun Derby are behind us, and it’s on to the second half of the MLB season. This is the time where the great teams separate themselves from the good teams. It’s the time for teams to show whether they should be considered contenders or pretenders. And with this time of the year, of course, comes the MLB trade deadline. Arguably the most intriguing trade deadline of all the major sports. Fringe teams will have to decide whether to be buyers or sellers, and the great teams will mortgage their futures for one player they believe will take them to the promise land. Now, as out of left-field as the ending to this year’s All-Star weekend was (raise your hand if you also weren’t aware that swing offs were a thing), the MLB trade deadline features something much more curious. The Player to Be Named Later. You see, as most of us know, it’s extremely common in Major League Baseball for a team like the Padres, for example, to sell off a handful of their top prospects at the trade deadline for a lefty reliever they hope will help them navigate the difficult waters that is the postseason. But what some people aren’t aware of (outside of us baseball nerds of course) is the use of something, or someone more specifically, called the “Player to Be Named Later (PTBNL)” in these trade scenarios. For those of you who don’t know, here’s a quick explanation of what exactly the phrase “Player to Be Named Later” means. In baseball, when a team isn’t sure exactly which prospect they want in return or when they are trying to finesse the roster management rules, they will accept a “Player to Be Named Later” in return in a trade. This gives that team the opportunity to further evaluate players and choose who they want in return at a later date. This doesn’t mean that the team will just be able to choose a superstar down the road, there are limitations placed on who can be chosen, and most of the time the player ends up being just another player lost in baseball lore. However, sometimes these PTBNL turn out to be more than just a journeyman or even lead to oddities that only baseball can provide. So, what are the most famous cases of Players to Be Named Later? Well, I’m glad you asked. Let’s start with the not so unexpected scenario that actually led to the PTBNL rules to be changed. Trea Turner Before 2015, there was a rule in place in the MLB in which prevented players from being traded for a year after being drafted. Trea Turner was drafted by the San Diego Padres in the first round of the 2014 Draft which meant, you guessed it, he wasn’t eligible to be traded until the following year. However, in December of 2014 the Padres, Nationals, and Rays agreed to mega-deal that involved 11 players AND a Player to Be Named Later. So, what does this have to do with Turner? Well, everyone was aware of who that PTBNL would be. Trea Turner. But as I mentioned before, he wasn’t allowed to be traded yet. So Turner had to spend the beginning of the next season playing for the Padres who had already traded him. This led to a rule change in MLB before the next draft to avoid this situation ever playing out again. But where is Trea Turner now? He’s certainly no journeyman. He had an incredible start to his career with the Nationals, before being traded (again) to the Dodgers with Max Scherzer in 2021. He eventually signed a $300 million deal with the Phillies where he still plays and remains one of the best players in Major League Baseball. But is he the best PTBNL of all time? Not quite. David Ortiz Big Papi. Ever heard of him? Sure you have. But did you know he wasn’t always the mashing lefty for the Red Sox that we know and love? That’s right. Early on in David Ortiz’s career he actually struggled to find a place in the league; and at one point, was even a Player to Be Named Later in a trade. He actually started his career with the Seattle Mariners, but he doesn’t mean much to the Mariners franchise outside of being a PTBNL in a trade in 1996 with the Minnesota Twins for Dave Hollins. As a matter of fact, not only was Ortiz not the player we know on the field, he wasn’t even David Ortiz on paper. At the time, he was actually known as David Arias. You might be thinking, “Wow. The Mariners really traded BIG PAPI.” Trust me when I tell that the Twins feel even worse. Ortiz would play a handful of seasons for the Twins from 1997-2002; however, even after a solid season in 2002 with the Twins, they would go on to RELEASE Ortiz. That’s right. Even one of the greatest players to ever step foot on a baseball diamond was not only traded as PTBNL but was also outright released. Of course in 2003, David Ortiz would go on to join the Boston Red Sox. Ten All-Star games, 3 World Series Championships, a World Series MVP, and a Hall of Fame selection later, David Ortiz would go down in baseball history as one of the most feared batters of all time, and the legend we know him as today Big Papi. What is the oddest Player to Be Named Later situation? There is a rare, but always delightfully bizarre situation in which a player is traded for himself as a Player to Be Named Later. This hilariously absurd scenario is so rare that it has only happened four times in the history of Major League Baseball. Harry Chiti – traded from the then Cleveland Indians to the Mets in 1962 for a PTBNL. However, he was so bad that the Mets decided trade him back to Cleveland as the PTBNL Brad Gulden – traded (with $100,000) from the Yankees to the Mariners for Larry Milbourne and a PTBNL in 1980. Once again, he performed so poorly that the Mariners traded him back to New York as the PTBNL in the original trade. Are you sensing a theme? Dickie Noles – In 1987 the Cubs traded him to the Tigers for a Player to Be Named Later. Sadly, he didn’t do enough during the Tigers playoff run that year for them to want to keep him around. So, they shipped back to the Windy City to complete the trade as the PTBNL. John McDonald – The most recent example. He was acquired by Detroit, who clearly didn’t learn anything in 1987, from the Blue Jays in 2005 for, that’s right, a PTBNL. Later that year, he was sent back to Canada for cash considerations. There you go. Next time you’re hanging out with your buddies on the back porch naming random athletes from your pass, feel free to drop in a “Dickie Noles” reference and explain the wonderful scenario of him being traded for himself. Baseball is such a beautiful sport in so many ways. For many of us, it’s the first sport we play as children, or the sport we remember watching with our grandparents on the living room floor. It has such an iconic and rich history. It’s known as “America’s past time” for a reason. But throughout that history, there are so many things that have happened that can only be described as strange and uniquely baseball. And that’s why we love it. So, when you’re scrolling social media or watching ESPN this trade deadline season and see that stud middle reliever traded for nothing but a Player to Be Named Later, maybe you won’t just brush it off this time around. Maybe you’ll wait to see who that player becomes, and maybe they’ll end up being another great piece of baseball trivia.
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